I was honored to be included in a podcast episode of the Kids Ministry Collective hosted by Tom Bump.

You can find out more about Tom Here. I got to give my honest thoughts about using visual, performance arts in KidMin settings. I joined the episode along with Jarred Massey – who is a dynamite Kids Pastor in Illinois – check out his site here

Get the Episode on iTunes

or, if you don’t uese iTunes… listen it Here:

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You can WATCH the interaction on YouTube: